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    Search through Kif It Kunta 's posts, he gets into a lot of the finer details about dry sifting.

    Here is just one:

    Quote Originally Posted by Kif it Kunta View Post
    Anhedonia - don't give up! I know you can produce excellent quality dry sifted hash..try the following dry sifting method with your Bubble Box....also check out other dry sifting threads here at fmb.com...and I'm sure you will get there.


    Probably the easiest way to get melty dry sift is to do two "runs", the first for quality (melty) and the second run for quantity (to remove all the resin heads from the material)....lets deal with the quality run, the aim is to separate about 10% ~ 20% of the resin on the material on this first run through, this should be done gently with bud that is dried, cured and properly stored for several months or more for best results.

    Remove the three mesh frames from the Bubble Box, as they are easier to work with that way.
    Lightly grind or break up frozen buds over the top screen, a few grams at a time.
    Use a massage vibrator on the side of top of the frame or tap the side or top of the frame with a padded drum type stick or simply pick up the frames and use a very gentle horizontal oscillating action for a minute or so.
    Lift up the top frame, and over a container, plate or tray you have nearby, up turn the frame and tap the wooden frame a few times to remove the lightly sifted material and then lightly grind another few frozen over the top mesh and repeat.
    Once you have worked the material, use the Bubble Box card to scrape up all the powder that has fallen through the top mesh onto the second two meshes and put this on the top mesh that has previously been tapped out upside to make sure it is clean.
    Use vibration with carding, tapping, oscillations or carding until about 3/4 of the kif has passed through the top mesh.
    With a 20x or 30x magnifying glass check out the stuff that remains on top of the mesh, this should be mostly non-active stalks and broken up plant matter with a small % of resin heads.
    You can resift the fall through again through the top mesh, monitor your progress with a magnifying glass, but make sure you stop before you add more contaminants to the lower meshes (it's best to not allow the crap in rather than try to remove it later which is why a vibrating stack of frames alone won't produce great quality dry sift) A magnifying glass is an asset to the dry sifter.
    Remove the top frame and set it aside.
    Use a combination of vibration with scraping a card over the second mesh until about 3/4 has passed through this second mesh screen. Repeat this again, making sure to up turn the screen frame and tap it several times to clean it, then scrape up the dry sift on the 3rd mesh and resift it on the second mesh frame until about 3/4 has passed through again.
    Now that the resin is sitting on the third mesh, use a combination of vibration and a plastic card screed the resin to and fro over the mesh. The round shaped resin heads larger than 70 micron will remain about the mesh, the bits of leaf and stalks will eventually get broken up by the carding action and will pass through this third mesh screen. This takes more time than all the other steps put together.
    Keeping working the resin over the third mesh until about 20% ~50% has passed through the mesh while monitoring your progress with a magnifying glass.
    The stuff that passes through will be mostly non-active stuff with some small trichomes. The resin that stays above the mesh will, depending on your technique and the quality of the starting material, be mostly resin heads and will bubble and melt.

    and once that's done, rework the material through the box to separate all the remaining resin heads. I usually grind the material more finer and card it through the top two meshes several times...resifting while monitoring your progress with a mag glass will improve this rough kif into decent quality hash that will form into a solid with thumb in palm pressure....it's my opinion that if loose dry sift won't form into a solid form with just thumb pressure then there's too much rubbish in there and not enough resin heads.

    There's a lot of satisfaction from producing and inhaling hash with such purity. A pea sized amount of this loose resin powder that you've cleaned over the 70 micron mesh will give an excellent buzz that will hard hit your forehead and warm your ears and will be 15 times cleaner for your lungs than the bud it came from. Since this resin is so pure you can inhale and hold it longer than bud, much like vaping.
    The best thing about smoking quality dry sift is that you will wake up in the morning feeling fresh and clean, not hung over from inhaling lots of hay which you get from burning bud.

    A good way to use your mag glass is to scoop up a little bit of material or resin on the Bubble Box card and hold it close to a light and then check it out.

    Happy Hashing!
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    Hey, thanks for the replies! I'll be making more with some blue dream and afgoo at the first of may. So I'll try some of these new suggestions. Bought a 30x jewelers loupe today. I have a little jar of some jack herer hash that I never sifted over the 70u, but when that gets here I'll dump that pile onto the 70u and clean it with the proper magnification. I really doubt that stuff melts though.
    And thanks again for the help.

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    you might wanna go even higher magnification but hopefully that loupe will help.
    i know ive said it a bunch but the usb microscopes are the way to go hehe you dont have to squint or look into a small area you can put it full screen on your computer and look at it on your computer screen full size its really easy and you can keep it perma focused kinda if you go for super close ups where you lay it flat against the table and i just use a small peice of white paper for the slide and do a small pinch under it quickly check put it back keep sifting etc works super good and fast. just an idea heres the microscope i use if your interested. i just used google and it came up with UK but im sure you can find that model on amazon locally good luck and i hope your new strains will have nice sized trichomes that catch easy on the 70u

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    -when you get down to the 70u pile it all into a pile and get a slip of white paper nice and clean. scoop up a small small amount that would fit under the microscope. look at this under the microscope (or loupe if it works) and if you use a usb one take a picture or memorize and note the head:contaminate ratio. put the kief back on the 70u to clean more.

    -use the same method(technique) your trying to evaluate and clean on the 70u then after 5-10 minutes of gentle carding using the SAME method to eliminate variables. scoop a small amount up again with clean white paper again check under scope the head:contaminate ratio is it better or worse? it should most likely be more heads and less contaminate.
    -repeat this till clean(if ratio improves each time magnified) OR change technique till it cleans it faster etc.

    i also should add that when im cleaning the kief on the 70u ive noticed lately without magnifying that its usually done when the pile stops shrinking or starts shrinking very slowly. it has taken me many cleanings to be aware of the rate at which kief contaminate ie capitate stalks etc fall through(i still magnify). but the pile basically stops shrinking(shrinks real slowly) when the heads are left. hopefully soon ill make a breakthrough and be speed cleaning the sift scalable to large amounts haha once i do ill let you all know how if i get it super fast peace

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    heres 200x vs 50x or so. to give you an idea of why i like the usb

    200x

    50x

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    Very nice shots, and good luck getting your stuff to bubble!
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    Quote Originally Posted by doobiehuffer View Post
    heres 200x vs 50x or so. to give you an idea of why i like the usb

    200x

    50x
    Wow, nice shots. I have been looking at them recently and reading reviews but nice to see pics of what I will be using it for. I am in the same boat, looking to make a better sifted hash.

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    well fuck meh doobeh. been tryin to pick up one of those cameras, but wasnt sure how good the magnification/ lense was.

    gotta get on that now
    real nice pictures


    n of course dry sift

    p.s(may be a bit off topic, sorry to stray from anhedonias post) but i dont see myself running any dry sift in the near future, i can barely afford bubble bags. the only reason it is appealing because of terpene conservation. is there a way to acheive the same flavor...or close maybe with bubble bags?

    edit: btw feel free to pm me if you dont wanna follow me straying lead, thanks
    Last edited by salad931; 04-09-2010 at 06:17 AM.

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    not sure if oyu meant bbags for water or dry sifting ive personally never used bbags for dry but im sure it would work just use the appropirate microns 73 90 and 120 and stretch it over a plate or bowl that has a bit of area to collect would prolly work.

    and if you meant water... i find some strains retain the flavor more through water washing. i believe this is from alcohol/fat soluble terpenes in higher abundance in specific strains where as most strains have many water soluble terpenes which just get rinsed down the drain
    if you dont wanna do dry sift runs just make a TINY bit(using a bubblebag or screen of some sort) to add to the bubble OR find strains which carry the majority of the flavors through the water process(this will be tougher and more time consuming than just adding a bit of dry sift but prolly more worth it in long run).
    i find dry sift a more complex stone... but if you wanna go only water hash and no dry sift your gonna have to strain hunt for something that holds its flavor through the water. oh ya i wanted to add. does anyone think the rain on outdoor herb lowers its terpenes ? could the rain wash away like water hash? or do live trichomes behave diff with water than harvested? just a thought would appreciate others input hope that answers your question salad

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    Eah thanks! When do you suggest to add the sief? While drying? An yes I meant with bags

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